DHV:
1379
Tourin ID:

1687

Bass ?

Joachim

Tielke

# of Strings:

(4)

Place Made:

D, Hamburg

Body Shape:

Festoon

Current Location:

GB, London

Sound Holes:

Flame

Collection:

Horniman Museum

Head:

Head

Catalog Number:

1826A (formerly 326A)

Label Text:

JOACHIM TIELKE // in Hamburg, An. 1687 [small format, printed except 87]

Measurements:

Body Length:

66.2

String Length:

Rib Depth:

14.4

Upper Width:

Middle Width:

Bottom Width:

33.4

26

39.7

Previous Owner:

F.J. Horniman, London, 1892-98; Mr. J.R. Liston, London, -1892

Information Source:

Hellwig 2011, pp. 387-90; Hellwig 1980, p. 190

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Comments:

Hellwig 2011, pp. 387-90; Hellwig 1980, p. 190

Hellwig 2011, pp. 388-90 (F+B, body only; head 3/4, pegbox back, neck heel and shoulders; detail of bottom end of table [color])

Hellwig 2011, TieWV 048; Hellwig 1980, no. 039 (according to him, originally a baryton having belonged to Andreas Lidl and shown by his grandson to the Society of Antiquaries in London, 1849; but see Pamplin). Table with ivory edging and double purfling; 2-piece back (arched and bent) with non-original glued-on carved ornament; also has non-original carved ornaments on front and shoulders near neck. Head and neck not original. (Converted to a cello, quite carefully and elegantly, e.g. keeping original 6-string pegbox intact and retaining 6-hole tailpiece; according to museum, this was done “by Hart in the 19th century”.) Measurements 66.0, 32.4/25.1/39.3, 14.2, -. Hellwig 2011 adds: date poorly legible; 2-piece table; upper eyes of soundholes added later; back has single purfling and ivory edging; neck made for cello conversion, but pegbox and head from a Tielke viol (datable 1686-94). Back widths 32.6/25.3/39.3. Origin as baryton confirmed by body outline and originally very wide neck (>10 cm), now disguised by added ornamentation. Not the baryton shown by Joseph Lidel in 1849, which must be considered lost.